Join us for a conversation with Wayne Jacobsen, blogger at, co-author of the Shack, and recent author of Beyond Sundays as he describes his journey into post-institutional Christianity. Hear him how God told him “I’ve got much more to teach you if you leave then if you stay”, what he’s learned about trust, how he experiences spiritual community in his life currently, and his advice for those leaving institutional settings (and those who stay in traditional church contexts.)

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