Join us for a conversation with Andy Oliver, pastor of visitation at First UMC in Portland, OR, as he tells us the story of planting a new faith community called the Crossing from its beginning to its end. Hear about the spiritual pressures of starting a new faith community, how he knew that the church’s ministry was finished, the spiritual trauma in the aftermath of its closing, and what has come back together (and not come back together) for him in the days after.

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